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	<title>Ravven&#039;s Glass &#187; Warcraft</title>
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		<title>Nostalgia</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 09:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy, does this bring back memories. I do miss Vanilla WoW sometimes &#8211; those were very good times. I miss how epic 40-man raids felt, before the artificial playstyle of hardmode dances. I miss world bosses. I miss just exploring. I miss the friends that I had. I don&#8217;t miss running half-way across a continent [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, does this bring back memories. I do miss Vanilla WoW sometimes &#8211; those were very good times. I miss how epic 40-man raids felt, before the artificial playstyle of hardmode dances. I miss world bosses. I miss just exploring. I miss the friends that I had. I don&#8217;t miss running half-way across a continent just to turn in a quest, but I miss actually experiencing the environment that I passed through. I miss having to work for things rather than just power-levelling in easy mode (although I&#8217;m not a fan of grindfest games). I miss that sense of wonder.</p>
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		<title>My Favourite Holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.ravven.com/blog/2011/10/my-favourite-holiday/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Hallows End in Warcraft. I love most of the holidays, such as Winter Veil, but Hallows End is the best. I would have posted a screenshot of my mount from The Horseman&#8217;s Reins, but again I have the WORST LUCK IN DROPS EVER. EVER! &#160;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Hallows End in Warcraft. I love most of the holidays, such as Winter Veil, but Hallows End is the best. I would have posted a screenshot of my mount from The <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/item=37012" target="_blank">Horseman&#8217;s Reins</a>, but again I have the WORST LUCK IN DROPS EVER. EVER!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3555" title="redundant" src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/redundant.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="560" /></p>
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		<title>Ravven at 85</title>
		<link>http://www.ravven.com/blog/2011/10/ravven-at-85/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ravven, the first character that I ever created in an MMO, dinged 85 last week. I haven&#8217;t played here in ages, but it was still a rather nostalgic moment. Had I known back in 2005 how much time I would waste on MMOs&#8230;well, yeah, I probably would have done it anyway. :) Since then I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ravven, the first character that I ever created in an MMO, dinged 85 last week. I haven&#8217;t played here in <em>ages</em>, but it was still a <a href="http://www.ravven.com/blog/2006/02/dark-side/" target="_blank">rather nostalgic moment</a>. Had I known back in 2005 how much time I would waste on MMOs&#8230;well, yeah, I probably would have done it anyway. :) Since then I have undeniably wasted shedloads of the aforementioned free time, but I have also made a lot of new friends and opened up a world that I am very glad to be a part of.</p>
<div id="attachment_3448" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 195px"><a href="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wow_wa1.jpg" rel="lightbox[3447]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3448  " title="Ravven " src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wow_wa1-185x300.jpg" alt="" width="185" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Ravven dings 85</p></div>
<div id="attachment_3449" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 220px"><a href="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wow_wa2.jpg" rel="lightbox[3447]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3449" title="Sporebat Vanity Pet" src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wow_wa2-210x300.jpg" alt="" width="210" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Work Avoidance</p></div>
<div id="attachment_3451" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 261px"><a href="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wow_wa4.jpg" rel="lightbox[3447]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3451" title="wow_wa4" src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wow_wa4-251x300.jpg" alt="" width="251" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Lil Tarecgosa</p></div>
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<p style="clear:left;">That&#8217;s a whole lotta work avoidance there. :)</p>
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		<title>Stories of Kitsune</title>
		<link>http://www.ravven.com/blog/2011/09/stories-of-kitsune/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow Insider had a post this morning on Where do you want your character to die? Interesting thought, although I kind of like the idea of Kitsune carrying on after I am gone, rather than the reverse. I know that sentiment, and the concept of game avatars having lives of their own, is incomprehensible to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3427" title="Hurrah for Feign Death" src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/kiljaeden1.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="300" /></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">
<p style="text-align: left;">Wow Insider had a post this morning on <a href="http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/09/26/breakfast-topic-where-do-you-want-your-character-to-die/" target="_blank">Where do you want your character to die?</a> Interesting thought, although I kind of like the idea of Kitsune carrying on after I am gone, rather than the reverse. I know that sentiment, and the concept of game avatars having lives of their own, is incomprehensible to anyone who doesn&#8217;t play MMOs. If you do, though? You will probably understand.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Hey, I&#8217;m not embarrassed to admit that I used to log Kit out in pretty areas sometimes, even when she was levelling or when it was a pain to get her there. Just she and Ennui, her boar, kicking back by a roaring campfire. It made a pretty picture, and I&#8217;m not so adult that I am embarrassed to share that little secret. :)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I&#8217;ve levelled characters who weren&#8217;t &#8220;people&#8221;, but I didn&#8217;t care very much for them and it was difficult at times to put the time into them. Kitsune has always been a person to me, right from the moment that I created her. She kind of sprung into life complete with a personality and a backstory. I&#8217;ve been with her for so long that she feels like a friend, someone who I&#8217;ve actually known. She&#8217;s me, or the flip side of me&#8230;solitary, smart, sarcastic, and a fighter. Once you have her loyalty, though, she would fight to the death for you.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Where would Kit die? Fighting heroically for a lost cause, or against insurmountable odds. Alone, probably in some icy winter pass far from her beloved autumn woods of Azshara. I can see her in the snow, knowing that she couldn&#8217;t possibly survive the encounter, but throwing herself into the fight anyway. And Ennui would be with her until the end.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">This is why I game. Who can be a hero in real life? I guess that this is important enough to me for my very first tattoo to be her name &#8211; and I would never have a tattoo that didn&#8217;t have a very personal meaning.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-3428" title="tattoo" src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tattoo-298x300.jpg" alt="" width="298" height="300" /></p>
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		<title>Such a Girl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all of the news lately about patch 4.3, what am I most excited about? Transmorgrification and the new Darkmoon Faire. Such a girl. I have outfits for most of my characters, some skanky and some not. Kitsune is going to be happy to finally look like a proper hunter. Hunters shouldn&#8217;t be dressed in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all of the news lately about patch 4.3, what am I most excited about? Transmorgrification and the new <a href="http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2852796/The_All_New_Darkmoon_Faire_-25_08_2011" target="_blank">Darkmoon Faire</a>. Such a girl.</p>
<p>I have outfits for most of my characters, some skanky and some not. Kitsune is going to be happy to finally look like a proper hunter. Hunters shouldn&#8217;t be dressed in orange and purple, we shouldn&#8217;t have massive glowing shoulders that would give an orc back pain &#8211; how can you stealth through the forest wearing that? Sheesh! She&#8217;s going for a dark ranger look, with a near-black outfit and a non-silly bow. I would love to give her crossed swords on her back, but unfortunately I seem to be permanently stuck with polearms. I&#8217;m considering a black pet component to match her armour, but would hate to give up Artaius, her spirit bear.</p>
<p>I have to confess, I love Darkmoon Faire even in its current format, with very little to do. A spooky island with games, shows and quests? Oh yes, please. If there was one in real life, I would run away and join the carnival.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Catch a show at the marvelous main stage or witness a dazzling fireworks display. But don&#8217;t stare too long or you might miss the stunning spectacles that surround you. Gaze in awe of our magical menagerie, get your fortune told by the amazing Sayge, go on a pony ride, experience the healthful effects of carnival food, and more!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>And the &#8220;replicas of long-lost suits of armor&#8221;? Oh, please have a Judgement set for my pally. I think that was the best set of armour that Blizzard ever designed, and it must be mine.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Mists of Pandaria</title>
		<link>http://www.ravven.com/blog/2011/08/mists-of-pandaria/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a lot of conversations going on this morning on the newly-trademarked Mists of Pandaria. The comments on the Massively article were interesting &#8211; I had always believed in the statement that Pandaren were originally scrapped because you weren&#8217;t allowed to represent pandas in such a way in China. Evidently, that is not true, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a <a href="http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/08/02/blizzard-registers-mists-of-pandaria-trademark/" target="_blank">lot</a> of <a href="http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/03/has-wows-next-expansion-been-named" target="_blank">conversations</a> going on this morning on the newly-trademarked Mists of Pandaria.</p>
<p>The comments on the Massively article were interesting &#8211; I had always believed in the statement that Pandaren were originally scrapped because you weren&#8217;t allowed to represent pandas in such a way in China. Evidently, that is not true, and as one commenter pointed out, Perfect World has playable panda characters. (I would hazard a guess that Perfect World may have a larger player base than Warcraft -I could be wrong- but either way that clearly demonstrates that China doesn&#8217;t have a problem with panda characters.)</p>
<p>Another commenter provided these to images to illustrate the point that China didn&#8217;t have a problem with Pandaren, but they did take exception to Chinese pandas wearing Japanese armour. Fair enough.<br />
&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Pandarenbrewmaster.jpg" rel="lightbox[3360]"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-3361" style="margin: 20px; float: left;" title="Pandaren Brewmaster Japanese" src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Pandarenbrewmaster-206x300.jpg" alt="" width="206" height="300" /></a><a href="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Pandaren.jpg" rel="lightbox[3360]"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-3362" style="margin: 20px; float: left;" title="Pandaren Brewmaster Chinese" src="http://www.ravven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Pandaren-196x300.jpg" alt="" width="196" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="clear: left;">If this trademarked name isn&#8217;t simply a red herring, think of the possibilities.</p>
<p style="clear: left;">What would I like to see? Make the Pandaren a new race and hero class (battle monk) which avoids the massive snit-fit that would ensue if you &#8220;gave&#8221; them to one side or the other. Or, make them a neutral race that either side could play&#8230;which would be a massive departure for Blizzard. If you don&#8217;t make them a neutral hero class race, then you would only have battle monks. If they are  a neutral race, allow them to any class, and give them their own capital city.</p>
<p style="clear: left;">And that idea opens up something that I would LOVE to see&#8230;a Chinese-themed fantasy city done as only Blizzard could do it. I&#8217;ve always loved the feel of the Eastern cities in Guild Wars, the Dragon Festival and so on, and I think it would be amazing in Warcraft.</p>
<p style="clear: left;">*sigh* We can dream, can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>Flamin&#8217; Bird</title>
		<link>http://www.ravven.com/blog/2011/07/flamin-bird/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kit is now done with dailies, for now. Hurrah! &#160;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit is now done with dailies, for now. Hurrah!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Dailies</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#8217;t been writing a lot&#8230;not blog entries, not email, not Twitter, not writing projects, nothing. Perhaps it&#8217;s a result of the Thirty Covers in Thirty Days project that I set myself&#8230;I&#8217;m working on those images during most of the day, and perhaps I&#8217;m in purely visual mode. I&#8217;m still playing some Warcraft, but basically [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been writing a lot&#8230;not blog entries, not email, not <a href="http://twitter.com/Ravven" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, not writing projects, nothing. Perhaps it&#8217;s a result of the <a href="http://www.ravven.com/blog/30-covers-challenge/">Thirty Covers in Thirty Days</a> project that I set myself&#8230;I&#8217;m working on those images during most of the day, and perhaps I&#8217;m in purely visual mode.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still playing some Warcraft, but basically I&#8217;m just doing the Firelands dailies on my hunter and shaman. I couldn&#8217;t bear to do it on any of the others, it is painful enough to just do it on two! I need to get out of this rut, and start pugging some instances. Blech. Or perhaps not.</p>
<p>This is a pretty MMO-free period for me, which is a good thing in terms of not being distracted by gaming. Star Wars: The Old Republic is in the hazy future, and Guild Wars 2 and The Secret World are even farther away. That is a very, very good thing right now, as I have all the willpower of a three-year-old in a candy shop when it comes to shiny new MMOs.</p>
<p>These are my dailies:</p>
<p>1. Wake up. Feed cats. Little bastards want breakfast at the crack of dawn, and have evil habits of rattling the door handle, running their claws along the metal of the bedroom radiator (or on the wallpaper, which is worse), etc. to wake me up.</p>
<p>2. Drink coffee and eat Special K while I read the morning news. I am way behind on keeping up with my blog feeds and Twitter.</p>
<p>3. Hit the job sites. If I was a pure developer I would have no problem finding something (rather than the more amorphous UI/UX designer, brand manager, web designer, etc.).</p>
<p>4. Do dailies on my hunter, which goes quite quickly.</p>
<p>5. Work on my portfolio &#8211; I want to start sending out emails next week.</p>
<p>6. Lunch and one of our recorded TV episodes (currently we&#8217;re trying to follow Carnivale, Falling Skies, and Camelot). Or my beloved Big Bang Theory.</p>
<p>7. Try to do dailies on my shaman, which is slow and painful in comparison with Kitsune the hunter.</p>
<p>8. More art, which takes us up to the end of the &#8220;work&#8221; day.</p>
<p>Hey, it&#8217;s not very exciting, but it&#8217;s a living. Actually, it isn&#8217;t &#8211; but I am hoping that it will. :)</p>
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		<title>When Casual Becomes Slack</title>
		<link>http://www.ravven.com/blog/2011/07/when-casual-becomes-slack/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m still in a phase where I&#8217;m semi- burned out on gaming. I&#8217;m still enjoying my game card (thank you guys!!!), and have been doing Firelands dailies and levelling my shaman, who is within sniffing distance of 85. No raiding or even heroics, but still enjoying the game. I&#8217;ve logged into Rift a few times, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still in a phase where I&#8217;m semi- burned out on gaming. I&#8217;m still enjoying my game card (thank you guys!!!), and have been doing Firelands dailies and levelling my shaman, who is within sniffing distance of 85. No raiding or even heroics, but still enjoying the game.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve logged into Rift a few times, but haven&#8217;t done much playing. Server population seems to be pretty low, and unless you play at peak times, there isn&#8217;t a lot of activity. Now that server transfers are live, I did consider transferring to the English RP server&#8230;but decided not to because the capital cities were dead at peak times. Perhaps it was a bad night, but still&#8230;I was surprised and saddened.</p>
<p>The question is, after five plus years why is Warcraft still enjoyable for me (within my current VERY casual limits)? Why is Rift, which is a solid, fun game with developers who are breaking their asses to create new content, not enjoyable? I honestly don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;ve read a lot of blogs written by former Rift players who kind feel the same way. Great game, but meh.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hate to lose my love for gaming &#8211; being a gamer is a large part of who I am. I think I&#8217;m just very wary of timesinks right now, and very stressed over looking for work. Or perhaps I&#8217;m just burned out.</p>
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		<title>Moving Right Along</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravven</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;re still playing our baby Horde characters together (for as long as our gametime lasts). My druid is 44-ish now, the highest I&#8217;ve ever managed to get a druid without losing the will to live and abandoning it. It still seems like hard work, and if I didn&#8217;t want to try healing on her, I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re still playing our baby Horde characters together (for as long as our gametime lasts). My druid is 44-ish now, the highest I&#8217;ve ever managed to get a druid without losing the will to live and abandoning it. It still seems like hard work, and if I didn&#8217;t want to try healing on her, I wouldn&#8217;t be doing it.</p>
<p>I love playing together &#8211; gaming is a love that we both share, and it also gives old married couples new topics of conversation. :) You whippersnappers will know what I mean someday. I don&#8217;t play World of Tanks, and he doesn&#8217;t play EVE, but we still share a lot of games in common &#8211; it&#8217;s quite nice. It would be difficult being an avid gamer with a non-gamer partner.</p>
<p>So, trundling along through Eastern Plaguelands&#8230;</p>
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<p>Listening to the banter between the other passengers on the coach&#8230;</p>
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